From the human values ​​that animate it to the value of our data, Pascal Gauthier is lying this week on the sofa of 40 shades of Next. The opportunity to discover what makes Ledger a success for the Next 40 and more generally for the world of FinTech. Above all, the opportunity to discover what built and guided the man today at the head of the company. This autodidact, passed in particular by Criteo before becoming investor then entrepreneur, was able to demonstrate that the pragmatism, which can be due to the maxim "it is only the result which counts", makes generally sense in matters of entrepreneurship. It is this pragmatism mixed with a certain number of values ​​that lay the foundations of its thinking in terms of data protection. Thus, for him, if we want to defend our European values ​​in terms of data protection against GAFA, it is not through regulation but through business that Europe should impose itself. This week we discover again an inspiring man, who directly shares his thoughts on subjects as varied as education, the importance of choosing his companion, the value of the entrepreneur and the investor. It is also straightforward that he answers the pro and personal questions of my partner Olivier Mathiot, Ian Rodgers, CMO of LVMH, Eric Larchevèque, founder of Ledger, Geraldine Russell of Maddyness and Philippe Mabille, of La Tribune before taking himself the microphone to question Nicolas Brien, CEO of France Digitale. As always, the episode ends with his "sista" Marie Ekeland, who announces to you at the microphone of our partner Solène, her new adventure!